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Ma tot bate gandul sa iau un Renault 4 ,nu e vecche ,sau clasica,dar mi se pare shik ... insa n-as face pasul fara sa ma pun la punct cu ceva date despre masina.
din pacat am cautat pe net si n-am prea dat de pareri despre ea,asa ca apelez la colegii de pe acest forum dintre care ffff multi sunt ffff bine documentati.
Asa ca cine stie info : fiabilitate,defecte frecvente ,piese -niveluri preturi si adresabilitate,sugestii pret,etc etdc orice se stie despre el, va rog . . . 
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vad ca am ghinion-nici aici n-are niumeni opinii !!!! 
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Misu de Cluj
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Nu ai ghinion, doar nu vazusem topicul
Si pe mine ma bate gandul sa-mi iau un R4 sau un R5!
Era pe undeva un site cu sfaturi de cumparare si cu punctele slabe! Sa- l caut!
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Asta ni!
"Clementine's Renault 4 garage".
Aici gasesti toate informatiile!
Iar la sectiunea de documentatii am pus deja linkuri cu cartile de reparatie.
Am sapat mult pe net, pana am extras aceste linkuri!
E o alegere buna R4! E o masina "evergreen" care va fi mereu la moda, alaturi de Citroen 2Cv si Vw Broscuta.
Si este deja youngtimer si ultima serie!
Iar modelele din seria 1 si 2 sunt deja oldtimer de multa vreme, deci alea se considera istorice!
Renault 4 Buyers Guide
Renault 4s are among the cheapest cars on the road to run. The driving experience is somewhere between a 2CV and a real car - entertaining and quite practical for everyday use, although long motorway trips can be tiring. The main pitfall is rust, particularly on the chassis near the rear suspension mountings.
This buying guide describes what to look for. Don't be put off by the photos on this page - they show the worst features from the worst cars I could find. Most cars will be better than this.
Which year to chose?
1961 to 1969 (R4L)
The original classic look up to 1967 with, 750cc or 850cc engines. The 3 speed gearboxes and 6 volt electrics aren't perfect for everyday driving, and the poor availability of mechanical parts makes them difficult to maintain.
1970 to 1981 (R4 TL)
850cc engines, 4 speed gearboxes and 12V electrics. Availability of mechanical parts is good. These cars are lower geared than the later GTLs, and the engines less powerful, but the quality of interior and exterior trim is better.
1982 to 1992 (R4 GTL)
Excellent parts availability. The 1108cc engine makes the Renault 4 perfectly usable in modern traffic conditions, but the noise levels make them tiring on long motorway journeys.
Chassis
The Renault 4 has a separate chassis which includes the floor pan. Replacing the chassis is a very time consuming job, and in any case, replacement chassis are no longer available. It's important to ensure any Renault 4 you buy has a good chassis.
Renault 4 rolling chassis
The Achilles heel of the Renault 4 is at the rear where the rear suspension bolts on. The photograph shows the RHS rear suspension with rust in the double skinned section just to the rear of the inner suspension mounting.
THe rust will be obscured by the damper and is only visible from underneath the car (I've removed the body for the photograph).
Rear inner suspension mounting rust
A patch repair for maybe £200 would get the car through an MOT, but there's not much point as rust would return the following year, and the area behind the mounting would still be rusty.
A good repair would involve removing the rear suspension, the fuel tank and half of the interior.
Some time ago rust in this area would have been enough to send the car to a scrapyard. These days Renospeed (the Renault 4 specialist in London) can make a lasting repair for around £600, which is worthwhile, as the repair would probably increase the value of a reasonably tidy car by the same amount.
More rust in the rear inner chassis member
It's much rarer to find rust in the outer suspension mountings, but unfortunately that area is more tricky to repair with the body still in place. Really cars with severe rust in this area would only be suitable for spares or DIY restoration.
Rust in the outer rear suspension mount tends to start from the top and rust in the wheel arch immediately above the mounting is a clue to the mounting condition. This one is pretty bad.
Rear outer suspension mounting rust
WIth the body removed it's easy to see where the outer mounting can rust. The top of this mounting has completely disintegrated.
The chassis also has rust on the double skinned section to the side of the mounting. The outer section of the chassis is visible just inside the sill panel, and if the panel is wavy or bubbly, perhaps with cracks or rust coming through from the inside, then an expensive repair will be required.
Rear outer suspension mounting
Another indication of rust in the rear chassis is the condition of the body just inside the rear door. This one has been patch repaired, so the chassis underneath is likely to be holed.
Body above outer suspension mounting
The four corners of the floor pan often rust, but patch repairs are quick and easy to carry out.
This one has been patched already but to a low quality. Replacement floor sections are still available for a long term repair.
Front floor rust
Body
The body isn't stress bearing - it's cosmetic so all you really have to do for an MOT is cover the jagged rusty bits with tape. The seatbelt mountings in the rear wheel arch are a different issue.
All four wings can rust, and these panels are still available from Renault.
Issues at the front of the car are wings and bonnet. The wings will rust on the top and front edges, but can be replaced for £30 each. The GTL bonnet can rust along the bottom front edge.
Front of a Renault 4
Rust at the top of the wing will spread to the inner wing. This is a bolt on panel but costs over £150. Repair panels for the top of the inner wing are available but need to be welded into place.
The front wings also rust at the front where mud can be trapped.
Front inner wing rot
The original rear wings were seam sealed from the inside of the wheel arch, but most people don't bother when they replace the wings, and mud collecting on the top of the rear wing mounting flange will rot the body.
A repair panel is available for the body, but it's a tricky repair.
The only other part of the body to watch is the seatbelt mountings on the rear wheelarches. There is a reinforcement on the wheel side that fills with mud and rots away.
Rust in rear wings
Mechanical Parts
The Renault 4 is light and low powered, so very little strain is placed on any of the components. So long as the cars have been well looked after they should last for ever.
Mechanical components such as ball joints, brake parts and exhaust systems are cheap and easy to get hold of.
Renault 4 engine bay
Engine:
The 1108cc engine in the GTL is very strong, but doesn't seem to be completely comfortable with unleaded fuel - fast motorway driving can sometimes burn an exhaust valve. It's sensible to use 4 star replacement petrol or a valve protecting additive for long motorway journeys.
Any Renault 4 still surviving should have been well looked after, but some are neglected. The valve gear is visible when removing the oil filler cap, and will be covered in sludge on a badly maintained engine.
Oil sludge
Interior
There is not a lot of interior to go wrong in a Renault 4, but it's sensible to buy a car with a decent interior.
The GTL had cloth covered seats which tend to wear after around 80,000 miles. Driver and passenger seats are identical and can be interchanged to even out the wear. Replacement seat covers, door trims, and floor mats can be bought for the GTL
Earlier cars had vinyl covered seats which are much harder wearing. Replacements aren't available but they can be recovered by trim specialists.
Tartan seats
The Renault 4 makes an inexpensive restoration project for anyone with welding skills. The mechanical parts will rarely need to be rebuilt. For anyone not experienced in welding it's a good idea to buy the best car available. Welding is time consuming and tends to be expensive. Very few restored cars come onto the market, but good, low mileage original cars do appear from time to time.
Parts availability is still good enough to keep cars made from 1968 onwards on the road (it can be difficult to source essential parts for pre-1968 cars). The GTL (post 1981) model is the best supported.
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Asa e, dar din pacate cu piesele e mai greu 
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Lada 1500 under construction !
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knx a scris:
Asa e, dar din pacate cu piesele e mai greu |
E mai greu pe draq! Se gaseste orice, inclusiv piese de tablarie!
Ca-s relativ scumpe, ca orice piesa Renault, asta e alta poveste... eu de aia am ales R15, ca are mecanica de R12.
Ca si accesibilitate de piese este preferabil un R12/15/18/ Fuego, deci cele inrudite direct cu Daciile noastre.
La R4/5/6 gasesti piesele cam la pret dublu, fata de R12!
R4 s-o fabricat in Croatia pana in 1991!
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Eu am stat dupa un tampon de cutie mai mult de o luna (prin toate cataloagele aparea ca find acela, si defapt era altul), gasirea piesei respective a fost o adevarata aventura si a costat ~30 euro .
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Lada 1500 under construction !
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Preturile variaza mult in functie de anul de fabricatie si de starea tehnica!
Iata preturile informative in euro.
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Despre R4 poate sa-ti spuna mai multe Sechi, ce si cum, mi se apare ca a avut una sau chiar mai multe. Nu trebuie sa te sperii de preturile pieselor de Renault ca nu intotdeauna este asa cum se aude.
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mishu
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In sfarsit,stiam eu ca de aici o sa vina suvoiul de pareri !!! 
Am vazut in documentatia lui Misi in engleza ca are un "calcai al lui ahile "ceva ruginitura,dar nu ma prind unde(bine,dar nici nu stiu cum e pe-acolo,inteleg ca undeva unde sasiul se imbina cu ... cu ce ?
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Am avut Renault 4 si stiu cam orice despre ea.
Este o masina foarte rezistenta si fiabila, dar are si anumite puncte slabe: suspensia spate, balamalele usilor, toba, articulatia schimbatorului de viteze.
Ca varianta, nu recomand decat pe cea cu motor de 1100 cmc, cu carburator Zenith.
Piese se gasesc pe siteurile franceze sau spaniole usor.
Succes!
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Sunt de acord cu orice afacere care nu degenereaza in munca.
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mishu
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Incep sa ma luminez !
Cel putin stiu unde sa caut !
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mishu a scris:
In sfarsit,stiam eu ca de aici o sa vina suvoiul de pareri !!!
Am vazut in documentatia lui Misi in engleza ca are un "calcai al lui ahile "ceva ruginitura,dar nu ma prind unde(bine,dar nici nu stiu cum e pe-acolo,inteleg ca undeva unde sasiul se imbina cu ... cu ce ? |
Punctele unde se prind barile de torsiune spate de sasiu
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mishu
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Aha !
Merci.
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Hai grabeste-te, ca daca nu o iei saptamana asta, te va costa cu 4200 euro in plus, cu noua taxa de dementa!
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Am avut si eu renault 4 cu motor de 1100 masina pornea la sfert de cheie si mergea de rupea. punctele slabe; rugina si puntea spate ,cred ca era cea mai empirica masina care am avut-o,bancheta de spate era formata din niste tevi si un material,nu avea macarale la usi si nici manere de deschidere interioara Eu am dat=o acum vre-o 5-6 ani cu 100 de marci 
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Vremurile e grele.
oamenii e nervosi, are arme ,trage
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Misu de Cluj a scris:
Hai grabeste-te, ca daca nu o iei saptamana asta, te va costa cu 4200 euro in plus, cu noua taxa de dementa! |
Traiam cu impresia ca ungurii sunt oameni seriosi,da' cred ca ministru'asta e "oaia negra a natiunii ".
apropos,cand intra in actiune aceasta taxa ?
Vad ca nu-si dau seama ca "nea gheorhe"nu-si va mai putea vinde dacia lui,si asta inseamna PROBLEMA ELECTORALA!
Aici nu e vorba de unguri sau romani! Aici este vorba de talhari mafioti cretini si dementi!
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mishu a scris:
Misu de Cluj a scris:
Hai grabeste-te, ca daca nu o iei saptamana asta, te va costa cu 4200 euro in plus, cu noua taxa de dementa! |
Traiam cu impresia ca ungurii sunt oameni seriosi,da' cred ca ministru'asta e "oaia negra a natiunii ".
apropos,cand intra in actiune aceasta taxa ?
Vad ca nu-si dau seama ca "nea gheorhe"nu-si va mai putea vinde dacia lui,si asta inseamna PROBLEMA ELECTORALA!
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Aici nu e vorba de unguri sau romani! Aici este vorba de talhari mafioti cretini si dementi, care indiferent de neam sau de natie, ar trebui legati de coaie si spanzurati cu capul in jos!
Iar cei, autoritatile competente, care ar trebui sa protejeze patrimoniul tehnic national (RCR si RAR), stau si se prefac ca nu vad nimica! Mai mult, RCR-ul serbeaza cu fast la Sinaia, pupandu-l pe parintele programului rabla, in loc sa faca interpelari in parlament si sa pregateasca contramasuri! Adica cei 200 de privilegiati au masinile protejate, iar restul populatiei sa mearga in p**a! Asta inseamna PROBLEMA ELECTORALA!
Eu cel putin nu-i voi mai vota nici pe UDMR, nici PDL si nici PNL, ca totusi sa nu uitam, ca toata cretinatatea asta de lege a pornit din PNL.
PSD-istii ar face bine sa se desparta cat de repede de fatarnicii de liberali!
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Corect,toate astea si in plus dublate de incompetenta !!!
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Inca niste adrese cu informatii, sa nu te plictisesti:
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Misu de Cluj a scris:
Inca niste adrese cu informatii, sa nu te plictisesti: |
very nice
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Cand faci cautari pe google, pentru masini, nu bagi de exemplu "Renault4" sau "R4" ca atunci nu gasesti mare lucru!
In astfel de cazuri bagi pe google "Club R4" sau "forum R4" si atunci imediat dai vreo adunatura de maniaci. Apoi intrii la ei si incepi sapaturile!
Astfel, imediat apare si documentatia specifica, si sfaturile si tot ce vrei despre modelul respectiv de masina!
Deci pe google nu se cauta masina, ci maniacii acelui model, care te conduc la masina!
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Mda,asa e,ai dreptate !
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